Return-Path: <mixmaster@helferlein.net> Received: from helferlein.net (helferlein.net [195.88.176.205]) by westhost29.westhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fALNwsI22323 for <taylor@lart.com>; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 17:58:54 -0600 Received: by helferlein.net (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B705186B63; Thu, 22 Nov 2001 00:58:49 +0100 (CET) Sender: Anonymous Coredump <mixmaster@remailer.segfault.net> Comments: This message did not originate from the Sender address above. It was remailed automatically by anonymizing remailer software. Please report problems or inappropriate use to the remailer administrator at <jochen@segfault.net>. http://remailer.segfault.net/mixmaster/ To: taylor@lart.com From: Friend_of_Brad@helferlein.net Subject: Re: I am writing as a gentleman Message-ID: <73b472f73ac9f99fb5244a0d18135bcc@remailer.segfault.net> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 00:58:49 +0100 (CET) Status: Dear Taylor, It looks like the psychologists won't need your help anymore. They are making it so the only newsgroup about psychotherapy that will be in existence is their own controlled "moderated" newsgroup. I am hoping you will be a gentleman and remove the Brad web sites, which have no good purpose and exist only to harm Brad. In my view: It is pretty sick for someone who had not even been an spp participant to have taken up the mission to hurt Brad, just for some kind of power trip. Know that your web page was mentioned hundreds of times and quoted to all kinds of jobs newsgroups and likely lost Brad jobs. Any way that Brad or his friends may have slighted you is indeed _very_ mild compared to what you did. Others who used to host the page stopped out of concerns about the impropriety of it -- I hope you do know that? Let me say it again: Others who were involved in hosting the web pages stopped doing do. And, these were also people involved in the spp debates and not just someone looking for a power trip. You did not begin hosting the web pages because YOU were personally offended. No offense of any kind was made against you before you started. You were just a 'Net Cop on a power trip. Neither myself or Brad can do anything about the way you may have been offended by what other people said. Nothing was repeated against you again and again in a stalking and harassing manner the way your web sites are used, so it should be VERY easy for you to correct any statements that were made about you that you thought were wrong. Perhaps if you want a more formal apology from someone you will have to say so in a newsgroup (or in the newsgroups involved). You can start by providing more information about yourself, if you want 'whoever' to apologize and give their personal details. If the web sites remain up, it makes it much more likely that police will become involved. Brad is aware of the very contact officer connected to the case (a case begun by Leslie Packer, not Brad). The initial complaint against Brad had more to do with Packer wanting to harass Brad than to any real well-founded complaint. Absolutely every bad post Brad made or was thought to have made was submitted to police -- Peter Hood, who wrote one of the original versions of the web page, collected all the evidence. All that could be done legally was done. What the police contact actually resulted in is that both parties became aware of who to imform about anything that might be considered stalking or harassment. There is excellent evidence of email and posts connected to your web page that shows its big role in stalking and harassment. For your own good and for the good of some others involved in building the page or the "information" in it, I suggest you take it down for that reason also. (Just some friendly advice). Thanks. Note spp is going out of business: From:Edwina Falk - Usenet Administrator <admin@townizer.com.mx> Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy Subject: NOTICE of Newsgroup Removal: sci.psychology.psychotherapy Message-ID: <2Ued3.6666$vW0.0417633@mesaana.xtra.co.nz> Followup-To: news.admin.net-abuse.email X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Lines: 14 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:51:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.55.175.201 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 1006379559 210.55.175.201 (Thu, 22 Nov 2001 10:52:39 NZDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 10:52:39 NZDT Organization: Xtra Xref: wnmasters2 sci.psychology.psychotherapy:113816 X-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 21:52:46 GMT Newsgroup sci.psychology.psychotherapy slated for REMOVAL on 21 Nov 2001 18:51:54 GMT. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- Hello my name is Edwina Falk, and I am writing to alert the regular readers of sci.psychology.psychotherapy that it will be removed from Usenet on 21 Nov 2001 18:51:54 GMT. This action will be taken by all news servers, so clients are advised to update their readers accordingly. Thank you for your kind attention, Edwina Falk -- Sheri arrives the car beneath hers and simply judges.